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Title: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: vekenti on November 04, 2014, 12:14:29 am
Hello, I am on Windows 7 64 bit System , and I have a Nvidia GeForce GTS 450 graphics card.

When I try to run Anim8or nothing happens, no window,error,etc pops up. Anyone know whats up? The previous version works just fine , So i don't understand whats wrong with the new version.
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: Raxx on November 04, 2014, 03:53:43 am
Right-click Anim8or.exe and go to Properties, then the Compatibility tab. Try setting the compatibility to Windows XP (Service Pack 3).
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: vekenti on November 04, 2014, 07:53:09 pm
Tried that,still just spins for a couple seconds and then nothing,I also tried disabling desktop composition and visual themes,no luck
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: Raxx on November 04, 2014, 08:15:05 pm
Personally I've noticed that my antivirus (avast) delayed the startup of Anim8or by several seconds for me. Try disabling yours and starting it. Also make sure you're not running it directly from within the .zip file.
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: johnar on November 04, 2014, 10:16:57 pm
 Myself and at least 1 other are having this same problem with win7, although i'm using 32bit. I also have nvidia graphics card. (GeForce 7800GT).
 Have you tried build 1103? That works for us, but none of the later progress updates. They do exactly as you say. A few spins of the 'doing something' wheel and thats it. Although, if you look at your running processess, you'll probably see that anim8or is listed as running, and if you ignore that, and try again, anim8or says that autosave wont work because there is already an anim8or running.
 So, it does seem to open, but nothing is showing on the desktop.
 There is some discussion about this here recently on the forum, (i'll try find a link), where steve describes possible 'windows open gl problems', but as far as i remember, it hasn't really made a difference to builds AFTER 1103.
 ?? so... you're not the only one with this prob.  (http://s6.postimg.org/4y98eizkt/grywink.gif)

 Could you try build 1103 and let us know if that one will work on your win7?


EDIT: Heres that link.
http://www.anim8or.com/smf/index.php/topic,4795.150.html

 Upon reading it again, it might be helpfull.  Good luck.  (http://s6.postimg.org/p4cqdev8d/grysmile.gif)
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: vekenti on November 04, 2014, 11:26:31 pm
Dont know What build 1103 is , but i tried version 0.97D and 0.95 and they both work,but this new 0.98 wont work at all for me,I have it running on compatibility mode  windows XP service pack 3, Disabled visual theme and disabled desktop composition,I have also disabled my antivirus(McAfee) and it still only spins for a couple seconds and then does nothing
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: johnar on November 04, 2014, 11:59:39 pm
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Dont know What build 1103 is

Go to the forums 'Ongoing Anim8or Developement' Category.

http://www.anim8or.com/smf/index.php/board,7.0.html

Then go to page 1 of "Current Development Release' thread.
 At the bottom of the first post by Steve , you'll see a list of downloadable Anim8or 'drops'.(previous releases of developement updates.  Anim8or .exe's)  .
 You should see there what i mean by build '1103'
 Will be interesting to see whether you are ok with all previous releases up to and including 1103, and whether you can run any later releases than 1103.
 Good luck.  (http://s6.postimg.org/p4cqdev8d/grysmile.gif)
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: vekenti on November 05, 2014, 12:37:32 am
1103 does not work for me,has the same exact reaction that the newest build has,spins for seconds,and then nothing
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: johnar on November 05, 2014, 03:27:28 am
 Ok. Make sure you've done what Raxx said. Set compatability mode to windows xp service pack 3.
(please try again if you didnt do that)
I don't think its an anti-virus thing, as my work/hobby pc doesn't go on line and i have no anti virus software installed.
 I probly wont be able to help you much here, as i still have a similar problem myself.
 Could you try some earlier updates, pre-1103.
 Try 1103 again if you didn't set compatability mode, then try 1101, 1097, 1088, 1086 and so on till you get to a working version. (set compatability mode in each 1 as you go)
 I'm sort've surprised 1103 didnt work. (was hopeing it would)
 Please let us know how you go. Any info might help in working out whats going on.
 Thanks

 Edit: Could you check if it is showing in the processess as 'running'? (after a failed start)
 Ctrl - Alt - delete -> Task Manager -> Processes.
 thanks
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: lppena on November 05, 2014, 02:54:07 pm
What's really strange is getting newer versions to run under the older Win XP; I see it displayed in the task manager, but it never opens up the application itself like 0.98 normally does. I hope the issue can be resolved as I plan on using XP until I get a newer PC.
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: Steve on November 05, 2014, 04:06:33 pm
I'm looking into this. There are a lot of moving parts. It would help if everyone can post the About->SystemInfo data as well. You can post it using older versions of Anim8or, of course.
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: johnar on November 05, 2014, 11:12:56 pm
 Thanks Steve
 Possibly more info here than you need, (possibly not enough). hopefully not confusing.

 Info from build 1103 and build 1097 on Windows 7. (working)
OS Version Windows 7 (6.1) Build 7600
Compatability set to Win xp Service Pack 3.
(When Checkbox in Compatability mode is not ticked, it reverts to:
OS Version Windows 7 (6.1) Build 7600)


Build 1103:
OpenGL Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL Renderer: GeForce 7800 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.0.0
OS Version: Windows XP Service pack 3 (5.1) Build 2600

Build 1097:
OpenGL Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL Renderer: GeForce 7800 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.0.0
OS Version: Windows XP Service pack 3 (5.1) Build 2600

 Both these builds, and all pre 1103, (inclusive) seem to work in all compatability modes, 95, 98, NT, 2000, vista etc...

 When i get to the next build, 1112, and onwards.
 If set to compatability for Win Xp SP3, the 'user account control' dialog pops up with the "do you want to allow the following program from an unknown publisher to make changes to this computer?"
 I click yes, the busy wheel turns for a few seconds, and then nothing.
Anim8or shows in the processes as running.
 If i don't put a tick in the compatability mode checkbox, the 'user account control' dialog does not open.The busy wheel turns for a few seconds, and then nothing. Anim8or shows in the processes as running.

 For me, all versions are working under windows XP, with all compatability modes.

 System info from XP, running anim8or 1122, with no compatability mode set:
OpenGL Vendor: Microsoft Corporation
OpenGL Renderer: GDI Generic
OpenGL Version: 1.1.0
 OS Version: Windows xp, service pack 3 (5.1) build 2600

 Heres hopeing some of this info is helpfull (http://s6.postimg.org/p4cqdev8d/grysmile.gif)





Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: Steve on November 06, 2014, 01:51:24 am
johnar: Yes, that's useful. I made some changes in cl-1107 that might be the cause. At least that's what appear to be the most likely changes. Can you try 1106 and 1107 and see how they behave? If 1106 works and 1107 doesn't it will save me a bunch of hunting through other chang lists!

There are some bugs in them so please don't distribute them without a warning.

http://www.anim8or.com/download/preview/files/animcl1106temp.zip (http://www.anim8or.com/download/preview/files/animcl1106temp.zip)

http://www.anim8or.com/download/preview/files/animcl1107temp.zip (http://www.anim8or.com/download/preview/files/animcl1107temp.zip)

Thanks

Steve
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: johnar on November 06, 2014, 02:28:29 am
Am doing that now. Will be 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: johnar on November 06, 2014, 02:43:17 am
(http://s24.postimg.org/o4uvmxwjl/Thumbs_Up_G1.gif)
YES. THEY BOTH OPEN.  (http://s8.postimg.org/j64xwcx9d/Big_Grin_Gry.gif)

 Awesome. Hopefully good news for future progress updates. Far out Steve You the man. (http://s24.postimg.org/3rved0xhd/greykiss.gif)


Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: Steve on November 06, 2014, 02:47:49 am
Arrgh! I thought that 1107 was the one that broke everything :(  This still helps because it rules a couple of things.  I'll keep looking ...
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: johnar on November 06, 2014, 02:53:50 am
 Oops. Sorry for the over-excitement. After reading your post more carefully i now realise that having them both opening wasn't exactly the outcome you were hopeing for. (http://s13.postimg.org/668ay1knn/blush1gry.gif)

 Good luck Steve May the force be with you  (http://s24.postimg.org/o4uvmxwjl/Thumbs_Up_G1.gif)
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: vekenti on November 06, 2014, 08:11:51 pm
Neither 1106 or 1107 opens for me
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: johnar on November 06, 2014, 10:02:02 pm
vekenti
 Open up a version that works for you. When its open, go to Ábout -> system info, and copy what it says there, and post it here.

Quote
It would help if everyone can post the About->SystemInfo data as well. You can post it using older versions of Anim8or, of course.
Steve
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: vekenti on November 07, 2014, 07:57:03 pm
heres my system info from Animator 0.95

OpenGL Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL Renderer: GeForce GTS 450/PCIe/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 4.3.0
OS version: Windows XP Service Pack 3 (5.1) Build 2600 <(When Running in compatibility mode)>
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: Raxx on November 07, 2014, 08:09:53 pm
Mine works with & without compatibility mode. Win 7 64-bit ultimate
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: Raxx on November 07, 2014, 08:18:24 pm
I ran Dependency Walker (http://www.dependencywalker.com/) on mine, and it came up with a few errors. Perhaps if johnar and vekenti run it on the latest versions, it'll help pinpoint the issue.
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: Steve on November 07, 2014, 08:37:01 pm
This information is helpful but I still haven't found a smoking gun. I working on some diagnostics to add to Anim8or to make this problem easier to figure out.

Raxx: can you add which which versions you've tried work? Or do they all work?

Everything works on my computer in XP compatibility mode and normally. It's running Windows 7 64-bit build 7601 [Service Pack 1].

On a related note, here's an interesting free tool that give a ton of information about your computer and it's graphics capabilities.

http://www.geeks3d.com/20140905/gpu-caps-viewer-1-21-1-download-gpu-monitoring-opengl-opencl-information-utility/ (http://www.geeks3d.com/20140905/gpu-caps-viewer-1-21-1-download-gpu-monitoring-opengl-opencl-information-utility/)
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: Raxx on November 07, 2014, 08:51:46 pm
Ah, sorry. Latest version, build 1124. 1106, 1107, and the official .98 release all work for me as well.
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: johnar on November 07, 2014, 10:11:22 pm
I ran depedancy walker and have attached the resulting .dwi files. One for build 1103, (working) and one for build 1112.(not working).
 Thanks for the link Raxx. (http://s6.postimg.org/p4cqdev8d/grysmile.gif)
(zip file attached)

 Steve
I ran The GPU caps viewer. Can see no way of actually passing on the results from this, but did notice i'm running windows7 with no service packs.
Please let me know if there's anything else i can do to help.It seems that there might be only a couple of us with this problem. If so, i sure hope its not just some system problem at this end, and
Anim8or itself is actually all behaving properly.
 I know you've got plenty other Anim8or things that you're just itching to get in to, (http://s6.postimg.org/4y98eizkt/grywink.gif), and wouldn't want you wasting time on something that is essentially our own simple fault at this end.
 I do have 'nView Desktop Manager' running, but have tried various settings and also disabled. Still no joy from any Build later than 1103.
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: Steve on November 07, 2014, 10:17:06 pm
Thanks for the info, Raxx. And johnar, Anim8or isn't of much use if people can't run it. I'll figure this out.
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: Claude on November 08, 2014, 02:50:29 am
Sorry,if I meddle here.

If you have an active firewall,you might want to try this:

Some firewalls have a program control feature.
They check if a starting program is on a safe list
they build and block it if it's not.
To check if it's the case,make sure all anim8or processes are dead in the task manager.The easiest way is to restart your PC.
Kill your firewall,cross your fingers and start  anim8or.
To stay totally safe,you may want to disconnect your
internet link.
Since it's quite easy to do,I think it's worth a try.
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: johnar on November 08, 2014, 04:55:44 am
 Thanks for the input Claude
  Geez, Windows make it tricky to turn off windows firewall, but its now finally showing as off.
 Unfortuneately, still the same problem.

  Good thought tho.  Cheers
 
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: Steve on November 09, 2014, 10:32:06 pm
I posted a new build with a command line option that should help me find the cause(s) of these failures. If you are having problems running Anim8or please try this new option. For more details see:

http://www.anim8or.com/smf/index.php/topic,5006.0.html (http://www.anim8or.com/smf/index.php/topic,5006.0.html)
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: johnar on November 09, 2014, 11:04:30 pm
(http://s8.postimg.org/j64xwcx9d/Big_Grin_Gry.gif)  Build 1127 works for me.

  No compatability mode set -> Opens normally. Windows 7 (6.1) build 7600
Compatability Xp service pack 3 Mode opens normally as well.

(OpenGL Renderer: GeForce 7800 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL Version: 2.0.0)

 Awesome Steve
 All good here now. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. (http://s24.postimg.org/o4uvmxwjl/Thumbs_Up_G1.gif)
Title: Re: Version 0.98 not working for me
Post by: Steve on November 10, 2014, 12:43:06 am
Fantastic!  I cleaned up a few things but there wasn't anything that I thought would fix it. I wish I knew exactly what the problem was but I guess it's better to be lucky than smart :)