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Artwork => Finished Works and Works in Progress => Topic started by: ronaldefarmer on March 05, 2015, 01:29:31 am

Title: Glass Cross
Post by: ronaldefarmer on March 05, 2015, 01:29:31 am
Yep, it's a glass cross...any comments?
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: neirao on March 05, 2015, 06:17:59 am
nice! what raytrace mode you has use?
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: ENSONIQ5 on March 05, 2015, 08:45:05 am
There doesn't appear to be any refraction happening, which makes the cross appear hollow and thin-skinned, kinda like a soap bubble (which is fine if that's the look you were going for).  Any chance of an ART render with refraction/dialetrics?
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: ronaldefarmer on March 05, 2015, 05:05:48 pm
I really need to learn to look more carefully at things before I post--I didn't notice that there is a problem with the background image.

I used the scanline renderer, so no, there is no refraction. I wanted the dielectric glass look that you can get with ART, but I like the way scanline handles environment maps and anti-aliasing. Also, I think I would have prefered ambient occlusion rather than raytraced shadows. Maybe I can make a composite to get the best features of Art and scanline. Thanks for the comments. I was expecting someone to ask, "What's keeping the cross from falling over?" or, "What is that surface underneath supposed to be?"
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: johnar on March 06, 2015, 02:20:18 am
 Hello ronaldefarmer,
 I like it. (http://s6.postimg.org/p4cqdev8d/grysmile.gif)
 
Was wondering, What's keeping the cross from falling over?, and also, What is that surface underneath supposed to be?..  (http://s6.postimg.org/4y98eizkt/grywink.gif)

 
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: ronaldefarmer on March 07, 2015, 03:14:52 pm
Good point, Johnar. It does need something to keep it from falling over. I still don't know about the surface.



This one is rendered in ART. Did you know that environment maps don't work on dielectric materials? I had to copy and paste the cross with a different material to get the environment map in combination with refraction.
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: ronaldefarmer on March 08, 2015, 07:11:04 pm
Ambient occlusion instead of shadows--which looks best?
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: johnar on March 09, 2015, 04:30:24 am
Ambient occlusion looks better. Colors are much more pronounced/bright/deep-glassy......
 Nice to have some type of shadow, but if it came to a choice, the bottom pic has a more 'glamorous' appeal about it. :).
Title: Glass Cross- Final Render
Post by: ronaldefarmer on March 12, 2015, 03:21:10 am
 
I think I'm through with it. What do you think?


Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: johnar on March 12, 2015, 03:48:28 am
 That final render looks awesome.
 Nice background, nice tabletop, good shadow and excellent reflection(s).
 I like the final glass color. Looks 'bottle-ish', which makes me think something could be inside it..... but i understand what it feels like to 'finish up and move on'.......

 All in All, well done Ron.  Looks great. (http://s24.postimg.org/o4uvmxwjl/Thumbs_Up_G1.gif)
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: ronaldefarmer on March 13, 2015, 12:35:59 pm
Thanks for the kind words, Johnar. Something could be inside it? ...Like what?
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: davdud101 on March 14, 2015, 10:31:14 pm
WOW! How did you model it? Really cool, that final render is pristine!
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: ronaldefarmer on March 15, 2015, 12:24:28 am
Hi Davdud101,

Thanks! I modeled it more or less like this:

Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: johnar on March 15, 2015, 09:11:55 am

Quote
Something could be inside it? ...Like what?


Actually, it looks very cool 'as it is', but, since you asked.(http://s8.postimg.org/j64xwcx9d/Big_Grin_Gry.gif)
Could be......liquid......bubbles.......goldfish....internal fire.......spider(s)...dirt and small tree.....vines with leaves/(thorns?).....smaller cross hanging on chain....little man sitting in the bottom, looking 'trapped in religon', or maybe 'looking for answers'....snow/rain.... a head in the top, hands(upturned?) in the sides and legs in the bottom.....doves(peace)....lava lamp .... light bulb......insects....terrairium....blue air and clouds.....flowers....candle wick/flame(s)....hour glass sand.......space/planets/stars.....................
 .....But then, as i said b4, it's awesome as it is, it doesn't actually 'need' anything.   
 Can it be 'expanded upon?,beautified?, redirected?, embellished somehow?'......hmmmmm...... if you can 'see' something , then maybe...
 warning
 It has already reached the point of being an 'Excellent, finished image', and attempts at anything i've mentioned,  could easily become a frustrating waste of time..lol  (http://s6.postimg.org/4y98eizkt/grywink.gif)
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: davdud101 on March 16, 2015, 01:07:02 am
+1 johnar
Title: Glass Cross
Post by: ronaldefarmer on March 21, 2015, 12:22:32 am
So, I put something in the glass cross:



I don't think I like it though.
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: RudySchneider on March 21, 2015, 12:49:00 am
Mmm, interesting idea, but I think I agree.  What about something else, like "Hope," "Salvation," "Faith," or "Love?"
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: ronaldefarmer on March 21, 2015, 01:27:55 am
Hi RudySchneider,

That would probably be a better sort of message. I can easily change the message just by editing the texture for the note's material.  Mostly, I just think the note in the bottle is a distraction and that it detracts from the depth and "glassiness" of the image. Your comments reminded me of something I did a while back for a webpage:



Again, I'm not sure what keeps these crosses from falling over or what the surface beneath is supposed to be--not a well developed design. Also, there is no refraction since I did this in version 0.95 before Steve gave us the ray tracer.

Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: neirao on March 21, 2015, 01:37:03 am
cool!
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: Raxx on March 21, 2015, 03:53:57 am
Looks nice, definitely like the version without the message, since as you said it detracts a bit from the glass itself. Perhaps, you can emboss a message instead on the metal holder or give it a little placard attachment.
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: johnar on March 21, 2015, 06:18:57 am
It does distract from the original image. I agree.  If you are still inclined to put something in the bottle, maybe a string of 'prayer beads?' hanging inside, would be less intrusive to the main image.... or... maybe i should just 'leave well alone'....lol
...sorry Ron..... (http://s13.postimg.org/668ay1knn/blush1gry.gif)
Title: Re: Glass Cross
Post by: BladeMan.EXE on March 25, 2015, 06:06:12 pm
Looks awesome.