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shaebird

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im new and have an idea i need help with
« on: May 12, 2008, 04:55:45 pm »

i would like to create venom from spiderman can anyone help me or give me any ideas ;D
« Last Edit: May 12, 2008, 06:18:24 pm by shaebird »
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hihosilver

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Re: im new and have an idea i need help with
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2008, 05:42:00 pm »

I'd suggest you read the Manual and play with all the tools while you're reading it.  Then follow tutorials.  There are a few on the site and a ton strewn all over the internet.  You need to learn to use the program before you jump into something like that.  3d isn't the same as drawing.  You can't just trace a sketch.  Even that is cheating and not creating your own work.  Any type of art takes learning and practice, but especially CG.
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Tanzim

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Re: im new and have an idea i need help with
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2008, 02:23:13 am »

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You can't just trace a sketch.  Even that is cheating and not creating your own work.  Any type of art takes learning and practice, but especially CG.
I know this is off topic, but if it's for learning purposes only or if you made your own sketch, then it isn't cheating :)
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Re: im new and have an idea i need help with
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2008, 03:38:29 am »

Tracing isn't for learning purposes.  I've heard people say that before, and I believe it to be completely untrue.  You don't learn anything except to copy lines.  You don't do any thinking.  Perhaps copying yes, you can use that as a learning process, but tracing, no.  Tracing is cheating and not art.
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Re: im new and have an idea i need help with
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2008, 04:48:46 am »

Tracing is cheating and not art.

so... where do reference images fit into this philosophy?  i agree with tanzim's last point, if it's your own sketch, which you did to help yourself with the process of designing the 3-d model, then tracing can have perfectly valid artistic applications.

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Re: im new and have an idea i need help with
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2008, 08:08:42 am »

A reference image is .....well an image used for reference and if you copied it line for line (which would be extremely dificult) could be considered as sort of cheating I guess!
As I'm pretty new to CG I use reference images only as a guide to help me with proportions, mainly human forms just to make sure the model looks proportionate.
Once the base of my model is done I get rid of the RI and carry on without it.
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Re: im new and have an idea i need help with
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2008, 09:20:27 am »

so even if it is cheating, why does it matter? shaebird should decide for himself how he wants to make the model he wants.

i indeed would suggest to follow at least the first two tutorials (eggplant and hand), that way you have the basics to model. after that, find as much images as you can from venom and start modeling.
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Re: im new and have an idea i need help with
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2008, 03:11:47 pm »

I'm only saying this for 2d drawing, if someone were trying to claim that they drew something using artistic talents just by tracing lines, I don't feel they did.

This doesn't really translate to 3d.  First, many people use their own drawn reference images, or photos.  Also, 3d is completely different, you're translating something from 2d to 3d, so there's depth that you yourself have to figure out, and there's an art to putting edge loops and flow together.  Reference images are there as a reference, as I feel it's perfectly fine to have an image that you draw off of in 2d.  but copying line for line in my opinion is 'cheating'.
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Re: im new and have an idea i need help with
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2008, 05:29:12 pm »

i think that reference images are a tool that should be used. you could call extruding a face cheating because there are harder ways to do it but its just a time saving tool. i dont use them alot myself but the reason steve put the ability into anim8or is so that people could use it.
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Re: im new and have an idea i need help with
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2008, 04:41:12 am »

hihosilver: now I understand what you mean, I thought you meant trace a sketch from a reference image, and now agree about the 2D sketching thing
everyone else: I'm sure we all get the idea now, and should stop with the off-topic-ness, which I guess is my fault.
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Re: im new and have an idea i need help with
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2008, 02:24:00 pm »

thanks for clarifying, hiho - now that i see what you meant, i agree entirely :)

okay, tanzim, i'll stop being off-topic as of... *now* ;D

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Tanzim

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Re: im new and have an idea i need help with
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2008, 06:58:44 am »

Back to the topic: Venom is a human like character, once you've done the tutorials on the Anim8or site, you might want to do some of MP3D's tutorials:
http://www.mp3d.info/Anim8ortutorials/
I would also suggest, as many before me have done, trying the Joan of Arc tutorial:
http://www.3dtotal.com/ffa/tutorials/max/joanofarc/joanmenu.asp
You might want to then try the Venom character using what you have learnt from them.
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